Great podcast — would highly recommend listening to the whole thing. Here are some key takeaways:
Solana Thesis
Managing risk & trading at Asymmetric
What outperforms: Bonk or SOL?
Probabilistically – does SOL hit 20 or 100 first?
How do other projects that are forking Solana + SVM affect Solana?
Outlook on L2s?
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Solana thesis
Lots of PMs saw what happened to ETH, and feel late to it
ETH went from zero -> 1400 -> 80 -> 4800
SOL went from zero -> 260 -> 8 -> ???
Narrative is very strong for SOL now
ETH did a great job pioneering smart contracts, but they designed it in a way that resulted in a lot of emphasis on fees + gas
As a result devs spend a lot of time on gas optimization in their code
D'apps on ETH are expensive to use
Second order effect here is that users won't interact with ETH d'apps much (given that they are so expensive)
SOL took a different approach -- make fees cheap, emphasize speed, and focus on parallelization and scaling with hardware
As a result, lots that you can do on SOL that you can't do on EVM based chains
Compressed NFTs are a prime example here (minting millions of NFTs for extremely cheap)
And it's evident this thesis is playing out -- we are seeing a lot of bids in the order books, primarily from less price sensitive, institutional buyers
Managing risk & trading at Asymmetric
We run low net most of the time (low net means low net leverage -- ratio of invested vs. cash on hand)
Right now we are higher net, we got really long in Oct since our view was we bottomed then
We are very concentrated in SOL right now but still have exposure to BTC + ETH although much smaller % wise
Our fund never uses leverage -- we never are above 1x notional
We do like to use different options structures so that we can put on asymmetric (low downside, extreme upside trades)
A couple examples
Risk reversal on SOL at $8 -- sold $7-8 puts and bought 20/25 call spreads in size
Bought as much OTM XRP calls at 1c as they could, months prior to the XRP suit passing
When our bags really run hot, we will go long/short options and derivs to hedge the downside (e.g. covered calls, buying cheap OTM puts)
We have 3 ways to think about putting on trades
1) Fundamentals
2) Event or narrative driven (e.g. front running the LSD narrative in Jan/Feb '23)
3) Macro thesis
What outperforms: Bonk or SOL?
BONK
If you want to get long Solana culture, BONK is it
Story of bonk
Was airdropped to devs in Solana after the big FTX crash at the pico bottom
Motivation was to act as a stimmy for devs that were defeated after Solana was down 95%+
Now BONK is basically integrated in all parts of the SOlana ecosystem
ETH / LINK / SHIB is to SOL / PYTH / BONK
Also has unit bias
Probabilistically – does SOL hit 20 or 100 first over the next 90 days?
20 - 25 is probably a generational support for ETH -- very highly unlikely that we ever test that level again
Solana has run up very hard since its broken out, we can potentially retrace but at the same time, if you look at this with a longer term view -- much higher chance we hit 100
How do other projects that are forking Solana + SVM affect Solana?
It is Extremely positive
Similar to how there are many versions of the JVM
Once you have Eclipse, Monad, Maker forking the SVM, they have a vested interest in ensuring Solana exists and persists
It validates the merits of Solana's architecture and design as well
No, not every $ of value generated will flow back to Solana, but it is on net, very positive
Outlook on L2s?
"They are called L2s because you now have 2 problems"
Large dependency on the L1 chain
There's a conflict of interest -- ETH L1 is deflationary, high fees. But with L2s, you now "scale" but ETH L1 doesn't accrue value
Big issue with dev + user experience
As a dev - what L2 do you build on? What happens if a big L1 change happens? How do you manage that dependency?
As a user -- what token do you need? What chain has the most liquidity + action? How do you bridge?
These problems can be solved but they aren't right now
There's a lot of VC money in this space that will "muscle" this space forward. This space does decently -- we are long ARB, it's very liquid and has high beta towards ETH
To tie this back to Solana, lots of the same fund managers/VCS that are very biased towards ETH + L2s have been asking Joe about Solana - "get me up to speed here"